Comments on: Icecrown: the Final Frontier (Now with 15% easier faceroll!) http://www.waranvil.com/random-warcraft-stories/icecrown-the-final-frontier-now-with-15-easier-faceroll/ World of Warcraft Blog, for Players, by Players. Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:22:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Grim http://www.waranvil.com/random-warcraft-stories/icecrown-the-final-frontier-now-with-15-easier-faceroll/comment-page-1/#comment-408 Grim Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:55:15 +0000 http://www.waranvil.com/?p=819#comment-408 to quote: "My annoyance is really aimed at the people in 251 and 264 gear who can only put out 3-4k dps WITH the 15% buff. Or the tank who seems to have no grasp on positioning (Face those casters away!) or aggro. Thats where my frustration comes from. Its not that I want people left out of seeing the content, I just think there should some level of requisite skill gained before stepping foot in." Now that's exactly the issue, due to buffs which enable people to power through content the overall quality of the player base is reduced! Players used to have to work for goals, become good at their chosen roll in the raid.....but now, its not that much of an issue once raid dps buffs are put in place. However, I do think I'm torn like you. On the one hand its great to be able to gear alts up super fast. But now its impossible to work out if a certain player is good based off his/her gear, due to the fact its so easy to acquire the gear. Fuck GS! Just fuck it, its a god damn awful thing and too much of the community depend on it, there is no other thing on this earth I hate more!!!! to quote:

“My annoyance is really aimed at the people in 251 and 264 gear who can only put out 3-4k dps WITH the 15% buff. Or the tank who seems to have no grasp on positioning (Face those casters away!) or aggro. Thats where my frustration comes from. Its not that I want people left out of seeing the content, I just think there should some level of requisite skill gained before stepping foot in.”

Now that’s exactly the issue, due to buffs which enable people to power through content the overall quality of the player base is reduced! Players used to have to work for goals, become good at their chosen roll in the raid…..but now, its not that much of an issue once raid dps buffs are put in place.

However, I do think I’m torn like you. On the one hand its great to be able to gear alts up super fast. But now its impossible to work out if a certain player is good based off his/her gear, due to the fact its so easy to acquire the gear.

Fuck GS! Just fuck it, its a god damn awful thing and too much of the community depend on it, there is no other thing on this earth I hate more!!!!

]]> By: Ederlinban http://www.waranvil.com/random-warcraft-stories/icecrown-the-final-frontier-now-with-15-easier-faceroll/comment-page-1/#comment-407 Ederlinban Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:49:48 +0000 http://www.waranvil.com/?p=819#comment-407 See, I'm torn. I love the fact that you can gear up and get into the current raid content so quickly. I took my hunter from fresh 80 to ICC ready in about a month, before the first buff was applied. Now I'm getting my pally tank geared up again in 10 + 25, pretty quickly. Its great that I can raid and still maintain a life outside wow (Job, Wife, Kid), and I'm glad there's a greater community that can see the content. My annoyance is really aimed at the people in 251 and 264 gear who can only put out 3-4k dps WITH the 15% buff. Or the tank who seems to have no grasp on positioning (Face those casters away!) or aggro. Thats where my frustration comes from. Its not that I want people left out of seeing the content, I just think there should some level of requisite skill gained before stepping foot in. But then again, as we know from the GS crowd - you can't measure skill unless you've run with someone before and seen them in action. See, I’m torn.

I love the fact that you can gear up and get into the current raid content so quickly. I took my hunter from fresh 80 to ICC ready in about a month, before the first buff was applied.
Now I’m getting my pally tank geared up again in 10 + 25, pretty quickly.

Its great that I can raid and still maintain a life outside wow (Job, Wife, Kid), and I’m glad there’s a greater community that can see the content.

My annoyance is really aimed at the people in 251 and 264 gear who can only put out 3-4k dps WITH the 15% buff. Or the tank who seems to have no grasp on positioning (Face those casters away!) or aggro. Thats where my frustration comes from. Its not that I want people left out of seeing the content, I just think there should some level of requisite skill gained before stepping foot in.

But then again, as we know from the GS crowd – you can’t measure skill unless you’ve run with someone before and seen them in action.

]]> By: Grim http://www.waranvil.com/random-warcraft-stories/icecrown-the-final-frontier-now-with-15-easier-faceroll/comment-page-1/#comment-406 Grim Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:59:47 +0000 http://www.waranvil.com/?p=819#comment-406 This is just a sign of the times unfortunately. I remember playing older games, eq1, eq2 etc... they had raids which took weeks to learn, hours to beat. The sense of achievement upon completing a raid was awesome, its what kept you coming back for more. WoW is going down the route of making everything accessible to everyone. While that's a good idea on paper, some people are simply better at the game and end up feeling shafted when any guild can turn up and beat what is supposed to be the hardest mob in the game! I really doubt any MMO will ever go back to the old 'hardcore' raiding ways, not a main stream one anyways! This is just a sign of the times unfortunately. I remember playing older games, eq1, eq2 etc… they had raids which took weeks to learn, hours to beat. The sense of achievement upon completing a raid was awesome, its what kept you coming back for more.

WoW is going down the route of making everything accessible to everyone. While that’s a good idea on paper, some people are simply better at the game and end up feeling shafted when any guild can turn up and beat what is supposed to be the hardest mob in the game!

I really doubt any MMO will ever go back to the old ‘hardcore’ raiding ways, not a main stream one anyways!

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