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	<title>Comments on: Raid Leading &#8211; Casual Guild Style</title>
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		<title>By: Ederlinban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ederlinban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zalajin -
You make an excellent point - and for all the talk I put in of continued wiping and pushing forward - I forgot to address it. I remember the first time I lead the group into Zul&#039;Aman, fresh off of a 2 week try Kara victory. We did very well up until Zul&#039;Jin where we continually wiped on the eagle phase. After a slight detour back into Kara and AQ20 the next week, morale was high enough to try our hand at it again-and this time the bosses went down quicker and only one wipe on Zul&#039;Jin before he was down. My guess was fatigue as the culprit for that night - we had a few wipes earlier in the night and were taking our time getting through the place - sometimes that alone will cause the wipes since everyone is tired. So to amend the post as lucky number 13 - Know when to quit and regroup. Most groups schedule 2 night sessions for raids for a reason :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zalajin -<br />
You make an excellent point &#8211; and for all the talk I put in of continued wiping and pushing forward &#8211; I forgot to address it. I remember the first time I lead the group into Zul&#8217;Aman, fresh off of a 2 week try Kara victory. We did very well up until Zul&#8217;Jin where we continually wiped on the eagle phase. After a slight detour back into Kara and AQ20 the next week, morale was high enough to try our hand at it again-and this time the bosses went down quicker and only one wipe on Zul&#8217;Jin before he was down. My guess was fatigue as the culprit for that night &#8211; we had a few wipes earlier in the night and were taking our time getting through the place &#8211; sometimes that alone will cause the wipes since everyone is tired. So to amend the post as lucky number 13 &#8211; Know when to quit and regroup. Most groups schedule 2 night sessions for raids for a reason <img src='http://www.waranvil.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zalajin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zalajin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent tips here. As far as number 3 goes, there are times that a casual raid group will come across a boss that they are just not going to beat for whatever reason. They don&#039;t have the right class makeup, it&#039;s a gear check and they don&#039;t have the gear yet, etc. The raid leader needs to realize when further attempts will be fruitless.

My raid group has plan in place where if we haven&#039;t made significant progress on a boss after a certain amount of time we back out and do something else. Naxx is good for that with it&#039;s multiple wings, but there is also Obsidian Sanctum or Vault of Archavon that are short detours.

It&#039;s tough on a raid group to continually fail and it&#039;s bad for moral. Be upbeat about it and say something like &quot;We&#039;ll get this next time when we fix whatever is causing us to fail.&quot; Then go get something that they will succeed on.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Zalajin&#8217;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://wowengineer.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/ptr-call-for-argent-tournament-testing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PTR: Call for Argent Tournament Testing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent tips here. As far as number 3 goes, there are times that a casual raid group will come across a boss that they are just not going to beat for whatever reason. They don&#8217;t have the right class makeup, it&#8217;s a gear check and they don&#8217;t have the gear yet, etc. The raid leader needs to realize when further attempts will be fruitless.</p>
<p>My raid group has plan in place where if we haven&#8217;t made significant progress on a boss after a certain amount of time we back out and do something else. Naxx is good for that with it&#8217;s multiple wings, but there is also Obsidian Sanctum or Vault of Archavon that are short detours.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough on a raid group to continually fail and it&#8217;s bad for moral. Be upbeat about it and say something like &#8220;We&#8217;ll get this next time when we fix whatever is causing us to fail.&#8221; Then go get something that they will succeed on.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Zalajin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://wowengineer.wordpress.com/2009/03/19/ptr-call-for-argent-tournament-testing/" rel="nofollow">PTR: Call for Argent Tournament Testing</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ederlinban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ederlinban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you guys! I hope it helps somebody out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you guys! I hope it helps somebody out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Grim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some really good tips here.  Anyone looking for some basic advice on how to function as a raid leader this post is most certanly for you.

I&#039;ve taken part in a fair bit of raid leading over my mmo career.  I&#039;ve seen people come and go for all manner of reasons and seen all kinds of arguments break out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some really good tips here.  Anyone looking for some basic advice on how to function as a raid leader this post is most certanly for you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve taken part in a fair bit of raid leading over my mmo career.  I&#8217;ve seen people come and go for all manner of reasons and seen all kinds of arguments break out!</p>
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		<title>By: Kiri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kiri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post. Some excellent pointers for inexperienced raid leaders, casual and not so casual alike!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post. Some excellent pointers for inexperienced raid leaders, casual and not so casual alike!</p>
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